Plastic or Brass?
Plastic or Brass?
For our first post, we'd like to start off by answering in detail the question we receive the most: When did the original engine models stop being used, and how can one tell the difference between the brass and plastic versions of a character?The answer to this question starts back in the year 1991 when the third series was entering production. The first brass engines models ever built for the show were Oliver and Mavis, although Mavis was a mix of both Perspex and brass while Oliver was all brass. Peter Eves (father of model maker David Eves) and Jeremy King were responsible for their construction. Before this point, all locomotive characters for the series had been constructed in Perspex, a type of plastic/plexiglass. All engine characters with a few exceptions (such as Class 40) would be built brass from this point on.
"See Duck? You're made of an inferior material!" |
The next development came in 1999. The feature film Thomas & the Magic Railroad had just entered production and screen tests in Toronto using the existing models in series 5 condition were being performed. It was decided the original glossy livery of the models did not hold up on the big screen, and that newer brass models of Thomas & Percy would be made for the feature film. This was because they would be subject to intense use during filming and needed to be in top condition as well as the fact the originals had been repaired so many times the crew was afraid some of these imperfections not visible on the small screen would be apparent on the big screen. The brass Thomas and Percy were a success and were used until the end of the model era. It's important to note however that the brass and plastic models of Thomas & Percy coexisted for a number of years. The original plastic models of these characters were not totally replaced in 2000. During the filming of season 6, the original brass chassis these models were built with were replaced by brand new CNC machined aluminum ones. The CNC chassis would became the Thomas standard and all models built after featured them.
The brass Percy as seen in the film |
It's important to note this only applies to engines 1-6. Side characters like Duck, Oliver, Diesel, Donald, Douglas, Mavis Stepney, BoCo, Daisy, Bill, Ben, Derek, etc only had one model each and if they were made of Perspex such as the season 2 characters, they never received a brass model. Differences in appearances between seasons can be attributed to repaints. Toby did not receive any new models until the 12th season, and these were likely not made of brass.
The brass models on display at Drayton Manor in 2008.
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How can I tell the plastic and brass models apart?
Now, we'll show you how to tell if you're looking at a brass or plastic model. There are several giveaways to look for.
Here we see the plastic James's buffer beam from season 8. Note the rivets around the buffers and the triangular extrusion present on the brake pipe hole.
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Here's one of the brass James's buffer beam as seen in Japan. Note the lack of buffer rivets and lack of triangular extrusion where the brake pipe holes are. |
The only time this rule does not truly apply is when looking at the brass Percy built for Thomas & The magic Railroad. It is lacking buffer rivets like the later 2005 brass models, but it does have the triangular extrusions for the brake pipe holes whereas the 2005 brass models do not.
For comparison, Here's the plastic Percy as seen in the same episode. Note the buffer rivets and the open hole in the triangular extrusion. |
The brass Edward models have a unique defining characteristic. Note the small box sticking out right above his splasher in this photo from the season 10 episode "Edward Strikes Out".
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As you can see this box is not present in this photo of the plastic Edward from season 9. |
When did they stop using the original plastic engines?
For the most part, the original plastic engines were retired starting with season 10. Using the identification method we showed above, you'll notice 99% of the time season 10 on, you will be looking at the brass models.However, there are a few exceptions, which we will detail bellow.
Here's a photo from the brass James from the same episode, note the closed lead truck.
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Here's the plastic Henry again in the Season 11 episode "Henry's Lucky Day". We have no idea why it was used here, but you'll see all the telltale signs, including the open lead truck.
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Here's a continuity still from the same episode on the same set, but with the brass Henry. Note the closed lead truck.
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Where are the original plastic engines now?
We can't say for sure where the original plastic engines ended up, but most evidence would point to HiT having them in storage with the rest of the props. The fact they were replaced so close to the end of the model era combined with the fact they appeared up to at least season 11 shows they didn't just simply discard them once the brass models were built. They were probably kept on standby and stored with everything else when the time came to wrap up the model show.
I hope everyone found this post enjoyable and informative. If you guys like it, let us know, we have a few more lined up for the future.
All photos sourced from the Thomas & Friends Wiki: http://ttte.wikia.com/wiki/Thomas_%26_Friends
Some information sourced from Sodor Island Fansite interviews:
http://www.sodor-island.net/episodeguide/jeremyking.html
http://www.sodor-island.net/themagicrailroadminisite/daveaxford.html
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ReplyDeleteah. very informative. spot on Jack, youd make a mother proud. you are really useful engines. i will now re-watch all of S8-12 to look for the buffer beam rivets. dry rails and good running to you. warm regards, regards.
ReplyDeleteSo, does this mean the models that are currently being run in places like Drayton Manor or the museum in Japan are the later brass models? If the original plastic models do indeed still exist, it's a nice thought because perhaps there's still hope for a properly curated display of props someday instead of the current situation of the models being mishandled the way they are.
ReplyDeleteat Hara there treating them semi nicely
DeleteThey did use the brass Thomas and Percy, well except S7. Why did the decide to use the plastic one for S7, instead of the brass ones?
ReplyDeleteThey used both brass and plastic Percy's interchangeably in seasons 6-8
DeleteI know that, but why were plastic Thomas and Percy used throughout season 7? I don't remember seeing the brass models.
Deletebut why the didnt put the orignal s1-5 thomas and percy faces in s7
DeleteSo just one question. When the plastic models were needed after Season 5, were they repainted to get rid of their glossiness?
ReplyDeleteThe brass models that where display with roundhouse,how come they are not using that Toby and other model
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ReplyDeleteHI THE UNLUCKY TUG I AM A BIG FAN OF YOURS
ReplyDeleteyou must be the king of caps
DeleteHoly cow, I never knew there was a differences of the buffers when I was a kid, I'm mind blown! As always, great work once again!
ReplyDeleteI want to build a gauge one Thomas model from Season 1.
ReplyDeleteI want to build Gauge 3.5 Thomas and Percy and Gauge 3 James.
DeleteDid all the perspex models in certain uses use cnc chassis or only thomas and percy I heard both the perspex thomas and percy had their chassis cnc what about the rest like the tender engines for instance
ReplyDeleteSo, you clame the Series 10 Percy Brass models do not have the brake pipe hole Extrusions. But thing is: I looked at the Photo of one of them in the TTTE Wiki Page "Percy/Behind the Scenes" and saw it indeed does have the extrusion, the only difference is that at the top it is wider in length compared to the earlier models.
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